your opinions, please

topic posted Tue, September 13, 2005 - 12:11 AM by  Sir Logan
what are your feelings on the panniers vs. trailor debate? I've only ever been on supported tours and therefore have little basis for comparison. i'd like soon to go on a self-supported tour and need some feedback. I'd like to take my own bike, and as it's a lightweight aluminum bike, a trailor might be my best option (though my bike does have braze-ons on the seatstays for a rack). The bike is a stock 2005 Giant OCR 2. I'm saving for a touring bike but will not be able to buy one before my next trip. Cheers
  • Re: your opinions, please

    Tue, September 13, 2005 - 3:21 AM
    I've toured with panniers,
    and with trailers, and with
    combinations of both.

    It all works.

    I'd agree that with a light
    bike, the trailer would be
    the way to go. A full load
    will stress the frame. If the
    frame isn't built for it, then
    you spend a lot of your
    energy simply bending the
    frame, rather than going
    forward. Plus, if the wheels
    are commensuate with
    the strength of the frame,
    you might stress the wheels,
    too.

    If you did want to go with
    only panniers, depending on
    how much stuff you take,
    you may need both front
    and rear racks. I find that
    front racks help stabalize
    the bike, both from
    front to back (so that not
    all the weight is on the
    rear wheel) and from
    side to side--they generally
    lower the center of gravity
    and keep the bike going
    straight.
  • Re: your opinions, please

    Thu, September 15, 2005 - 11:53 AM
    Granted I have never toured with panniers, but I KNOW that I will always go with a trailer, here's lots of reasons:

    1) I'm lazy. When I pack up, I don't have to roll everything perfectly- hoping to get it all in just the right combo in just the right pack so that it will all fit. I just throw it in and it all fits regardless.

    2) I can take LOTS of extra water for long stretches that I might have to go without. One can take along extra 2 1/2 gallon jugs if you wish. Try THAT with panniers.

    3) When I get to hostel or campground, I can take the trailer off in 2 seconds, lock it up and ride into town OR I can just take the bag out of the trailer and ride into town and put groceries into the trailer.

    4) I never had to "learn" to balance the bike with the extra weight. It's a bit hard going uphill, but at most other times I end up looking behind me to see if its even there.

    5) I have a road bike and never had to buy a touring bike for riding all the way across British Columbia and through the Canadian Rockies. I can switch the trailer from road to mountain bike to the neighbor's little kid's bike to my Burning Man playa bike with no extra tools or effort or wondering if it will fit.

    6) No extra strain on my frame. I never even got a flat tire on a 4 week trip.

    7) The trailer can be put on a plane easily, just as panniers can be.

    And my suggestion is to not worry about getting a touring bike. Just ride whatever bike is comfortable for you and get a trailer. On my trip through the Rockies, I met a woman who was a competitive mountain biker who just brought her mountain bike (that she is extremely comfortable on) and a trailer. She loved it. Why buy an extra bike for the once or twice a year you will be touring.
    • Re: your opinions, please

      Thu, September 15, 2005 - 3:11 PM
      well the touring bike is more of an all-weather bike. i'm planning on ordering a rivendell atlantis. thanks for the advice about a trailer, seems completely logical. any recomendations as far as which to purchase?
      • Re: your opinions, please

        Thu, September 15, 2005 - 6:24 PM
        I test-rode a couple trailers a few years back and settled for a Yak Bob-Trailer. The ones that mount to the rear-axle seem more stable than the ones that attach to the rear seatpost.

        Not sure if there have been any improvements in design since, I see they now offer one with a suspension on the trailer wheel as well, which I guess would be good to keep the load more steady if you do any trail riding.
      • Re: your opinions, please

        Mon, September 19, 2005 - 12:31 PM
        I agree--if you're going
        to have one bike, make
        it a touring bike!

        If you already have
        another bike that you
        like, using that bike with
        a trailer makes sense.
      • Re: your opinions, please

        Wed, September 21, 2005 - 1:11 PM
        I have the Yak- Bob and have not really seen anything else comparable for real touring. Having said that, I've seen people touring using the baby carriers and do just fine. I see hundreds of those baby carriers all the time on Ebay and are pretty cheap and are waterproof. A great choice if you are strapped for cash.
    • RIDE ON!

      Thu, September 22, 2005 - 4:42 PM
      I agree with Casandra! I have done both types and find that the trailer is much easier to load, unload and just basic balance. Yes the trailer carries you faster at times but you just have to learn to control speed and your bike but with all the unloading and loading, just easier to get in and out. Go minimal with your stuff. I have done many backroads and the Continental Divide Trail in CO with the BOB trailer and have loved it, lots of off road terrain and it held up just fine and I am one to ride hard and test the equipment!!! Good Luck finding your path....

      Dynah
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    Re: your opinions, please

    Wed, September 21, 2005 - 1:34 PM
    i liked to reduce my stuff down to the absolute bare minimum for a tour, so that meant 2 front panniers, 3 t-shirts, shorts, sleeping bag, roly mat + tent. did many thousands of miles that way... nice minimalist philosophy attached to it.

    BUT these days, i'd rather have some more comforts... your bike is almost certainly sturdy enough to carry the extra panniers, so you don't NEED a trailer really. you might want one though.
    • Re: your opinions, please

      Thu, September 22, 2005 - 7:55 AM
      I've pulled a trailer, it sucks going up hills. reduces your maneuverability in cities too.

      Its OK downhills, as its like having a massive weight pushin u down the hill, but it also means u have to watch ur speed and bumps a bit more

      I've also busted several spokes from putting too much in my rear paniers.

      Now, I pack as little as possible. The less I carry, the more I am in contact with the places I'm travelling through.
  • Re: your opinions, please

    Fri, November 25, 2005 - 8:22 AM
    A friend and I tour for 7-10 days every summer on road bikes--he with panniers, me with my Bob Yak. We generally do about 600 miles in New England and Quebec. I prefer the Yak because of the low center of balance, and I can pack the tent inside. It still takes a few miles to get used to standing--I've learned to swing the bike less when the Yak is attached. On our trips, the loaded Yak weighs about 35 lbs.--keep the load to a minimum since every ounce counts! It's also nice that you can disconnect quickly. The only down sides are the longer combined wheel base, parking the bike, and beware of braking quickly on steep downhills, according to a few scarry tales. Gordon Harris--www.bikenewengland.com
  • Re: your opinions, please

    Mon, December 26, 2005 - 5:27 PM
    Ive tried both and prefer the panniers. THe yakima trailer I biked with was wobbly and sometimes tipped over and dragged. Ive found panniers easier for balance. Besides, if you cant fit all your gear in panniers, you've brought too much stuff. Have fun!
    • Re: your opinions, please

      Wed, December 28, 2005 - 9:02 PM

      Seems like packing would be much easier with a trailer. I wouldn't have to be to _________ about everything going exactly in a given place so that it fits, i can get everything in, and I'm balanced. You know, just throw the stuff in to the drybags and put 'em on the trailer.

      Thoughts
      • Re: your opinions, please

        Sat, March 25, 2006 - 12:52 AM
        I have limited experience with trailers (some, but not much) but am currently 2 months and sevral thousand kilometers into a cycling trip with paniers. Based on what I've read in comparing benifits, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference. I use 4 panniers and carry a few changes of clothes, tools, sleeping bag/tent/air matress, up to 6 liters of water, some books and a few other odds and ends including food, and so far I've had no problems. I don't have to be too particular about how I pack as long as the weight is more or less even on each side (usually just thrown in with the water at the bottom), easy to remove jaunts while staying in hostels, etc. Attach and detach quickly and simply. My only complaint would be the panniers tend to pick up the wind a little more, which can work both for and against you. Personally I wouldn't tour with a trailer because I feel more manouverable in traffic with panniers, but that is purely personal preference. I've been up and down some pretty insane grades, and like how panniers feel on an incline. How does pulling a trailer compare? Thanks for all the posts, everyone. Northbound in Vietnam,
        -b
        • Re: your opinions, please

          Sun, March 26, 2006 - 9:42 AM
          I have a Yak Bob and find it indespensible. When I tour I also use panniers on the front of my bike, but I keep all the heavy stuff in back. The Bob has a lower center of gravity than the panniers so it helps keep you steady. I was riding down a dirt road recently on skinny tires and while I felt totally out of control, the Bob seemed to compensate and hold me in place. It also gives you more traction on the road and I find I can corner much harder with it. Also, for relatively little $, it comes with a dry bag that fits perfectly inside. It has saved my bony ass numerous times when I get caught out in the rain.
  • Re: your opinions, please

    Sat, March 24, 2007 - 12:13 AM
    Email me for my 'loaded' touring cargo, and my 'minimalist' touring cargo. The right combination of gear, bike, legs, and philosophy makes almost anything doable. As others have said, it is really a matter of situation. tommy@tommy-gardner.com www.tommy-gardner.com

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